My Peeling Clapboard Nightmare - Painting - DIY Chatroom - DIY ...

Today, 11:16 AM	? #1
Newbie ? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Carried on from my "Linseed Oil Paint" post: The house was built in 1967. It's in Chilliwack, British Columbia, and the rain hasn't stopped for 8 months. Summer could be hot, if it ever gets here. Climate is probably similar to Seattle, but a little hotter in the summer due to being further from the ocean. The house has cedar clapboards, and the wood is of good quality and in good condition. The problems started a few years ago when the original owners had it painted by somebody else due to their advancing age. From what I'm told, he (the neighbour I silently curse every time I see him) pressure washed it and sprayed it. When we moved in, the paint was starting to peel badly. The house is fairly tall, so we hired someone to paint the "tall" parts. She scraped the loose stuff and gave it a light sanding. The paint she applied starting cracking fairly quickly. It would appear that the paint she applied has bonded to the old layers of paint on the clapboards, as it is now peeling off in big sheets that expose the wood underneath--maybe I should have had her paint the entire house, because it looks like all the paint would have fallen off within another year and I could start fresh. The linseed oil paint idea looked attractive because it is supposed to last and not peel. I DO NOT want to be doing this job over and over again. Here are some pics of the area that was recently repainted--peeling away nicely: Pillar that was recently repainted--cracking and stains coming through: Area that was repainted a few years ago (the power wash and spray method): Trim on a post outside--the bare areas leave a chalky residue if you wipe a finger over them: Soffits:
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Today, 01:28 PM	? #2
HOMESTEAD HERO, LLC ? Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sequim, WA Posts: 4	What type of paint was used to paint your house? It looks like a flat paint to me. Was it latex or what? We live in the Seattle area and paint all our homes with at least a Satin finish. It's unfortunate, but in my opinion--you've got a lot of scraping to do. Check out the Paint Shaver or the other one that uses heat--Silent Painter. I would say most all of that paint has to come off before I would even dream of painting it. Then, hire a qualified painting company who has experience with your climate. If the paint fails, you at least have someone you can go back to and demand a refund or a re-paint. Most quality companies will offer some sort of guarantee. I'm sure other people will have great ideas, but I would say hire a professional. I'd worry about the moss on your roof too, unless you want to pay for roof repairs. Last edited by HomesteadHero; Today at 02:07 PM.
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Today, 02:34 PM	? #3
Newbie ? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Quote: What type of paint was used to paint your house? It looks like a flat paint to me. Was it latex or what? We live in the Seattle area and paint all our homes with at least a Satin finish. It's unfortunate, but in my opinion--you've got a lot of scraping to do. Check out the Paint Shaver or the other one that uses heat--Silent Painter. I would say most all of that paint has to come off before I would even dream of painting it. Then, hire a qualified painting company who has experience with your climate. If the paint fails, you at least have someone you can go back to and demand a refund or a re-paint. Most quality companies will offer some sort of guarantee. I'm sure other people will have great ideas, but I would say hire a professional. I'd worry about the moss on your roof too, unless you want to pay for roof repairs. The top layer is latex. I'll definitely use an oil primer, though. I'm of the mind that as much as possible must come off. I've had a few quotes, but nobody will guarantee anything unless if's stripped, and nobody will quote that cost. Others just say they'll scrape the loose stuff and go to it, but that'll look bad when it's done, and probably won't work anyways. My thought is to strip it myself, and hire someone to do final prep/paint as you've suggested. I plan to use a infra-red paint remover as I can work with that in the early hours before the kids get up, and the mess will be more easily contained. I've also got someone reliable and reasonable I can hire to work on it during the times when I'm occupied with other things. If I can handle the stripping, I think the paint quotes will become more reasonable, and the painters will be willing to guarantee their work. Might have to limit myself to stretching it out over a couple of years, but I need it to be done properly (unfortunately, a colour change is out of the question if it can't all be done at once).
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Today, 02:42 PM	? #4
HOMESTEAD HERO, LLC ? Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Sequim, WA Posts: 4	Sounds like you've got a great handle on things. The house looks like a beautiful one, and you've got your work cut out for you, but when it's all finished it's going to look fantastic. I'm enclosing a link to an article on Roof Maintenance you might like.. http://homesteadhero.net/roofing-101...g-your-roof-2/
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Today, 03:55 PM	? #5
Newbie ? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Quote: Sounds like you've got a great handle on things. The house looks like a beautiful one, and you've got your work cut out for you, but when it's all finished it's going to look fantastic. I'm enclosing a link to an article on Roof Maintenance you might like.. http://homesteadhero.net/roofing-101...g-your-roof-2/ Thanks. The moss is on the to-do list as it looks like I'll be up there quite a lot this summer.
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Today, 05:17 PM	? #6
Member ? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,641	Ah-ha...is that Western Red Cedar? Even if it isn't WRC, you'll have to pay particuar attention to the fact that cedar has colouring compounds in it that may affect the final colouring of your finish. But seeing as how it is still a wood, then a few things apply: (a) it will require an oil or alkyd primer and preferably two finish coats of an acrylic paint, to get about 10+ years worth out of the paint job. (b) seeing as how you are in a special climate where it gets very wet, painting when the wood has less than 18% moisture content will be a challenge. (c) brushing IMO would be better than spraying... (d) whatever you apply on cedar must be cedar-aproved and preferably a local product to where you live; I know there are companies out there that do that, not necessarily national-name brands either. (e) drying concerns me. That is I am not sure how the walls dry - to the inside, to the outside - or not at all. That means more research and questions about insulation & vapour barriers if any... As far as linseed oil paint goes, I am out of my depth and couldn't say for sure whether or not linseed oil paints would do here. My gut tells me it's fine but I'd rather defer to a local expert. You never did say what prep was done before the finish coat was applied by those two people. In fact, I'd go as far as to say your primer identification - if it was put on - is more relevant than the choice of sheens. Any way you can find out? It may be redundant to ask that at this point, since I am not sure you have any other choice but to strip it. I think the pressure wash also had something to do with it; but what alternatives there were/are, I don't know.
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Today, 06:27 PM	? #7
Member ? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 1,641	Is that a plywood soffit peeling too? It seems that you have a biggger peeling problem at the ceiling level and the floor levels, or is that me? = an insulation leak? Just wondering.
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Today, 06:42 PM	? #8
Newbie ? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 7	Quote: You never did say what prep was done before the finish coat was applied by those two people. In fact, I'd go as far as to say your primer identification - if it was put on - is more relevant than the choice of sheens. Any way you can find out? It may be redundant to ask that at this point, since I am not sure you have any other choice but to strip it. I think the pressure wash also had something to do with it; but what alternatives there were/are, I don't know. I have no idea what the prep looked like for the paint job prior to our buying the house. The person who did the areas that are now peeling the most sprayed everything with bleach and water, power washed, scraped the loose paint, did some sanding, then primed and painted (though may not have primed beyond the parts that had been scraped down to the wood). It would appear that she used Zinsser 123 Bullseye primer, which is--according to the website--water based. The painters I've talked to since much prefer the Zinsser Cover Stain (oil-based) or one of the oil-based primers from Cloverdale Paint. I tackled a small area last summer using the Zinsser CoverStain, and it seems to be holding well except in a few places where I didn't get all the old layers off. That would seem to tell me that if I scrape everything/use the infra-red paint remover I should get good adhesion with an oil-based primer and a quality top coat.
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